C-SPAN: Sold Out: How High-Tech Billionaires and Bipartisan Beltway Crapweasels are Screwing America’s Best and Brightest Workers

Guest Worker Programs

Authors Michelle Malkin and John Miano talked about their book, Sold Out: How High-Tech Billionaires and Bipartisan Beltway Crapweasels are Screwing America’s Best and Brightest Workers, and the current guest worker program.

VIDEO: http://www.c-span.org/video/?400247-4/washington-journal-roundtable-guest-worker-programs

00:00:08
Unidentified Speaker

FIORINA. STAY WITH C-SPAN FOR CAMPAIGN 2016. TAKING YOU ON THE ROAD TO THE WHITE HOUSE ON TV, ON THE RADIO, AND ON C-SPAN.ORG OR IT –.ORG. >> “WASHINGTON…

00:00:17
Peter Slen

HOST: IN YOUR NEW BOOK “SOLD OUT ,” WHAT HAPPENED AT DISNEY?

00:00:25
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: WORKERS WERE FUNNELED INTO A ROOM. A LOT OF THEM ASSUMED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE A — REWARDED. IT WAS A HORROR STORY THAT NO HOLLYWOOD WRITER…

00:02:03
Peter Slen

HOST: YOUR COWORKER — CO-AUTHOR JOHN MIANO IS ALSO WITH US. HOW DOES THE H-1B GUESTWORKER PROCESS WORK?

00:02:15
John Miano

GUEST: IT IS A THREE-STEP PROCESS. FIRST THE EMPLOYER HAS TO MAKE OUT A LABOR CONDITION APPLICATION SAYING THAT THEY WILL PAY THE SO-CALLED PREVAILING…

00:02:59
Peter Slen

HOST: HOW MANY WORKERS ARE COMING TO THE U.S. AND WHERE ARE THEY GOING?

00:03:03
John Miano

GUEST: THERE ARE ABOUT 120,000 TO 130000 AND YEAR.

00:03:12
Peter Slen

HOST: I THOUGHT IT WAS CAPTAIN 65,000.

00:03:16
John Miano

GUEST: IT’S A LITTLE MISLEADING. THERE IS A BASE CAP A 65,000, AND AN ADDITIONAL CAP OF 20,000. IT IS UNLIMITED FOR ACADEMIA AND RESEARCH. THE REASON…

00:03:39
Peter Slen

HOST: IN THE BOOK YOU WRITE, THE MANUFACTURING OF A CRISIS. THERE IS NO STEM SHORTAGE. STEM OF COURSE BEING SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, ENGINEERING, AND MATH.

00:03:56
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: THIS IS ONE OF THE KEYSTONE ISSUES OF THE ENTIRE DEBATE OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS. THIS MONTH ACTUALLY MARKS THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE CREATION OF…

00:06:28
Peter Slen

HOST: THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE UP ON THE SCREEN. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DEBATE IN THE CONVERSATION. MICHELLE MALKIN AND JOHN MIANO, CO-AUTHORS OF “SOLD…

00:06:57
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: IT REPRESENTS HIS CREATURE IN WASHINGTON. AN OFFICIAL WHO SAYS ONE THING TO GET ELECTED AND THEN TURNS AROUND AND NOT JUST DOES ANOTHER THING BUT…

00:07:17
Peter Slen

HOST: HOW THEY COOKED UP COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM. EVERYONE IN WASHINGTON PRETENDS TO AGREE AMERICA’S IMMIGRATION SYSTEM IS BROKEN AND NEEDS TO…

00:07:31
John Miano

GUEST: IT’S INTERESTING YOU MENTION IT, BECAUSE SOMEHOW WE HAVE BEEN SOLD THAT THIS DEAL WOULD ACTUALLY REFORM THE IMMIGRATION SYSTEM. IN REALITY COPPER…

00:08:24
Peter Slen

HOST: OK. I HAVE TWO ARTICLES HERE THAT I WANT TO PUSH BACK JUST A LITTLE AND GET YOUR VIEWS AS AN IMMIGRATION LAWYER AND SOMEONE WHO IS WITH THE CENTER…

00:09:10
John Miano

GUEST: WHERE’S THE EVIDENCE? ANYONE CAN JUST SAY THAT. IMMIGRATION ITSELF DOES NOT CREATE A JOB. TO BE OTHER FACTORS ARE IT — FACTORS.

00:09:19
Peter Slen

HOST: WHICH ARE?

00:09:22
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: WHAT IS THE TYPE OF IMMIGRANTS? IF YOU IMPORT SOMEONE WHO IS A PANHANDLER AS AN IMMIGRANT THAT PERSON IS NOT GOING TO CREATE A JOB. THERE HAVE…

00:09:39
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: THE OTHER THING I THINK IS IMPORTANT IN THE BOOK, ONE OF MY CORE MISSIONS AS A JOURNALIST OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS IS TO HELP PEOPLE SYNTHESIZE INFORMATION….

00:11:30
Peter Slen

HOST: SOME OF THESE GROUPS NAMES INCLUDE COMPETE AMERICA, COUNSEL FOR GLOBAL IMMIGRATION, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY INDUSTRY COUNCIL, THINGS LIKE THAT. ON…

00:12:16
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: THEY ARE QUOTING A DIFFERENT STATUTE. THE GOVERNMENT CLAIMS THAT DOES NOT APPLY, AND IN FACT THEY SAID — WHEN THEY MAKE THOSE AS A STATIONS THE…

00:12:32
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: THIS IS JUST PART OF THE ENTIRE SMOKESCREEN THAT GOES ON, BECAUSE THEY ASSUME THAT YOUR AVERAGE ORDINARY AMERICAN DOES NOT HAVE TIME AND IS NOT INTERESTED…

00:13:37
Peter Slen

HOST: LET’S TAKE SOME CALLS. MICHELLE MALKIN AND JOHN MIANO ARE THE COLD — CO-AUTHORS. STEVENS CALLING FROM PHOENIX ON OUR DEMOCRAT LINE. GO AHEAD.

00:13:52
CALLER

CALLER: GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR C-SPAN. MY QUESTION IS TO BOTH GUEST. I’M NOT TRYING TO BEAT UP ANYBODY, BUT THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE SURPRISE?…

00:14:31
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: WHAT YOU SEE IS THAT THE BIG BUSINESS IS COMING AT THE AMERICAN WORKER FROM ALL SIDES. WE HAVE SEEN IT AS YOU ARE DESCRIBING. MOST OF PUBLIC DEBATE…

00:14:59
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: EVERYTHING I WOULD ADD IS THAT THIS COMES UP A LOT. THERE ARE A LOT OF FEATURES ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE AISLE BETWEEN THE RIPARIAN’S TO JOIN WITH…

00:15:50
Peter Slen

HOST: THIS HEADLINE CAME FROM THIS MORNING. MORE CHEAP WORKERS MIGHT COME TO THE U.S.. CONGRESS IS CONSIDERING LEGISLATION TO ALLOW U.S. EMPLOYERS TO…

00:16:17
John Miano

GUEST: AGAIN, PRECISELY THE SAME PROBLEM AS THE TECH WORKERS. THE REALITY IS NOT EVERYBODY IN THE UNITED STATES HAS THE SKILL TO BECOME A COMPUTER PROGRAMMER,…

00:16:54
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: WE ONLY HAVE 56,000 THESE IS WORKERS FOR NON— JESUS — V ISAS ISSUED FOR NONAGRICULTURAL WORKERS. IN THE SAME WAY THAT THESE TECH COMPANIES ARE…

00:17:15
John Miano

GUEST: I SAW AN ARTICLE JUST RECENTLY WHERE THE WRITER WAS SAYING THAT PAYING SOMEONE $13 WAS AN ABSURDLY HIGH WAGE.

00:17:33
Peter Slen

HOST: KERRY IS IN CANTON, NORTH CAROLINA. REPUBLICAN. IS THAT IN RALEIGH DURHAM AREA?

00:17:44
CALLER

CALLER: NO IT IS A NATIONAL AREA. MY BEST FRIEND WOULD BE SO JEALOUS. BECAUSE I GET TO TALK TO YOU THIS MORNING.

00:17:54
Peter Slen

HOST: GOOD MORNING.

00:17:59
CALLER

CALLER: I HAVE PROS AND CONS ON BOTH SIDE OF THIS. I CAN LISTEN TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE LATINO GROUPS AND THEY SAY THEY ARE TRYING TO BLACKMAIL…

00:19:09
Peter Slen

HOST: WE WILL LEAVE IT THERE AND GET A RESPONSE. MICHELLE MALKIN THERE IS A LOT THERE —

00:19:14
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: THERE IS A LOT THERE. I WOULD PUT IT THIS WAY. AS THE CHILD OF LEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO THIS COUNTRY I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT THE GOOD…

00:20:55
Peter Slen

HOST: I WANT TO SHOW SOME CHARTS FROM BLOOMBERG. HERE IS A CLUSTER OF SKILLED FOREIGNERS. IT SAYS THAT TOTAL EMPLOYMENT, 22% IN THE RALEIGH-DURHAM NORTH…

00:22:14
John Miano

GUEST: IT IS A DIVISION OF TATA WHICH IS INDIA’S MITSUBISHI. THEY ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF MOVING JOBS OUT OF THE UNITED STATES TO INDIA. SO WHAT THE H-1B…

00:22:58
Peter Slen

HOST: WILLIAM’S CONTRA MINNEAPOLIS. YOU ARE ON THE AIR. INDEPENDENT LINE.

00:23:00
CALLER

CALLER: THANK YOU. YOU’VE REALLY GOT TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO GET MORE CALLS.

00:23:06
Peter Slen

HOST: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

00:23:09
CALLER

CALLER: OK. I LIKE YOU. MICHELLE, I DON’T USUALLY AGREE WITH YOU BUT I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS. I LIKE TO THINK I LIVE IN THE H-1B CAPITAL OF AMERICA…

00:23:58
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: YEAH.

00:24:01
CALLER

CALLER: THEY OVERSTAYED THEIR VISAS.

00:24:04
Peter Slen

HOST: OK. THANK YOU. WHO WANTS TO ANSWER THAT?

00:24:07
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: OF COURSE IN MINNESOTA YOU HAVE THE SENATOR WHO IS THE COSPONSOR OF LEGISLATION ON CAPITOL HILL THAT WOULD GREATLY EXPAND THE NUMBER OF THESE H-1B VISAS. HE…

00:25:43
Peter Slen

HOST: FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES, LARGE COMPANIES GAME H-1B VISA PROGRAM COSTING U.S. JOBS. SHE SAYS THAT MANY OF THE VISAS ARE GIVEN OUT ON A LOTTERY TO…

00:26:11
CALLER

CALLER: GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I LIVE IN VIRGINIA AND I WORKED IN AN AREA. I AM SHOCKED AT HOW MANY IMMIGRANTS…

00:27:33
Peter Slen

HOST: OK. WE GOT THE POINT. YOU WRITE ABOUT THE SALARY DIFFERENTIAL.

00:27:39
John Miano

GUEST: HE IS CORRECT. THE H-1B PROGRAM ALLOWS THE EMPLOYER TO PLAY — PAY THE 17TH PERCENT OF — 70TH PERCENTILE OF THE MEDIAN WAGE. THE 50TH PERCENTILE…

00:28:17
Peter Slen

HOST: IS HE RIGHT ABOUT CORRUPTION, IS A GAMING OF THE SYSTEM?

00:28:24
CALLER

CALLER: THIS IS NOT EVEN A GAMING OF THE SYSTEM. THE H-1B PROGRAM IS WORKING EXACTLY AS IT IS DESIGNED TO DO. THAT IS ONE OF MY ISSUES. I AM GLAD TO SEE…

00:28:56
Peter Slen

HOST: WE ARE TALKING WITH CO-AUTHORS OF “SOLD OUT” ABOUT THE H-1B WORKER VISA. DAVID IS AN CHICAGO.

00:29:10
CALLER

CALLER: I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WRITING THIS BOOK. IT IS ABOUT TIME THE WORD GETS OUT. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DISCUSS HOW THESE TRADE DEALS HAVE…

00:29:46
Peter Slen

HOST: OK, A LOT THERE. WHAT KIND OF TECH WORK DO YOU DO?

00:29:52
CALLER

CALLER: I DO DATA CENTER NETWORK CLOUD WITH SOME DATA SECURITY. I AM MAKING WHAT I WAS MAKING 20 YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF THE WAGE SUPPRESSION. WAGES HAVE…

00:30:27
Peter Slen

HOST: OK, WE GOT IT.

00:30:33
GUEST

GUEST: OK. H-1B IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS FOREIGN LABOR IS COMING IN IN THIS AREA OF TECHNICAL WORKERS. ONE OF THE ISSUES HE…

00:32:38
Peter Slen

HOST: JANE IS IN VIRGINIA, A DEMOCRAT.

00:32:42
CALLER

CALLER: GOOD MORNING. I WOULD LIKE TO RELATE TO THINGS AND GET A COMMENT. THE FIRST ONE IS, I AM A REFUGEE FROM THE BIG BLUE OVAL OF IN DEARBORN. WHEN…

00:34:29
Peter Slen

HOST: WE GOT THE POINT. OF COURSE THAT IS HERE IN THE WASHINGTON SUBURBS.

00:34:33
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: WE HAVE AN ENTIRE CHAPTER IN THE BOOK ON HOW THE FOREIGN STUDENT VISA PROGRAM HAS BEEN EXPLOITED AS ANOTHER ONE OF THESE ALTERNATIVE CHANNELS TO BRING…

00:36:14
Peter Slen

HOST: IS THERE ANY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THIS BOOK AND YOUR EARLIER BOOK THIS YEAR WHICH WAS ON INNOVATORS AND AMERICAN MANUFACTURERS?

00:36:22
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: THAT IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION, AND THE ANSWER IS YES. I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT DELVING INTO THIS ISSUE FOR A LONG TIME. OF COURSE MY FIRST BOOK…

00:37:11
Peter Slen

HOST: JENNY, SPRINGFIELD, VIRGINIA.

00:37:17
CALLER

CALLER: I AM REALLY GLAD I HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO BOTH OF YOU AND TO THE HOST. PLEASE DON’T CUT ME OFF. WE JUST WENT THROUGH AN ELECTION CYCLE, AND…

00:38:46
Peter Slen

HOST: WE HAVE A LOT THERE ON THE TABLE. MICHELLE MALKIN, ANY RESPONSE FROM HER — FOR HER?

00:38:54
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: THAT IS AS TRENCHANT A COMMENTARY AS I HAVE EVER HEARD ON THIS ENTIRE ISSUE. MORE TRENCHANT AND YOU WILL HEAR FROM ANY OF THESE CANDIDATES WHO CONTINUE…

00:40:50
Peter Slen

HOST: FROM YOUR BOOK, CLINTON FOUNDATION DONOR AND — DONALD TRUMP VAULTED TO THE FRONT OF THE PACK BY SPOTLIGHTING BRUTAL CRIMES BY ILLEGAL ALIENS AGAINST AMERICANS. BUT…

00:41:29
CALLER

CALLER: I AM ANOTHER LIBERAL DEMOCRAT WHO NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD HE AGREE AND WITH — I WOULD BE AGREEING WITH MICHELLE MALKIN ABOUT ANYTHING. THERE WAS…

00:42:32
Peter Slen

HOST: WHAT KIND OF WORK YOU DO?

00:42:35
CALLER

CALLER: I DON’T REALLY WANT TO TELL YOU.

00:42:39
Peter Slen

HOST: YOU DON’T HAVE TO. DON’T WORRY ABOUT IT. LET’S GET A RESPONSE ABOUT THIS AGENCY ISSUE.

00:42:44
John Miano

GUEST: BOTH — MOST OF THESE ALIENS ARE COMING THROUGH COMPANIES THAT ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF IMPORTING WORKERS AND TAKING A CUT OFF THE TOP OF THE SALARY. THAT…

00:43:25
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: THIS IS IN THE OPEN NOW, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT PART OF IT IS SORT OF THE “SOLD OUT” EFFECT OF THE OPEN WARFARE YOU HAVE BETWEEN CRUZ…

00:44:27
Peter Slen

HOST: A TWEET, MICHELLE MALKIN RAGGING ON NASTY EVIL CORPORATIONS AND THE LEFT STILL HATES HER? AND JODI SAYS, MICHELLE MALKIN YOU HAVE FINALLY WOKEN…

00:44:54
CALLER

CALLER: THIS IS A REAL ISSUE AND HAS BEEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME. QUITE A FEW PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY ARE IN ENGINEERING, PHYSICS, SO ON. BUT ALSO THIS IS HAPPENING…

00:45:41
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: THE H-1B IS PRIMARILY USED IN THE TECH INDUSTRY, BUT IT IS USED IN ALL INDUSTRIES AS WELL. AS YOU SAY, PHYSICAL THERAPY IS ONE. DOCTORS, EVEN ACCOUNTANTS. THE…

00:45:59
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: TEACHERS TOO. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT THAT. THE FUN FACTS ABOUT H-1B, IT IS SOLD ON CAPITOL HILL AS BEING FOR THESE WRITE SPECIALTY…

00:46:33
Peter Slen

HOST: “SOLD OUT” IS THE NAME OF THE BOOK, AND DONALD IS IN SOUTH BEND, INDIANA. DEMOCRAT.

00:46:43
CALLER

CALLER: I AM SITTING HERE WATCHING THIS AND I AM JUST SKEPTICAL. I HAVE SEEN YOU TALK A LOT OF TIMES ON FOX NEWS AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF ALL…

00:47:53
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: I’M — A COUPLE OF THINGS. WE CHALLENGE THE LEADERS OF THE H-1B RACKET AND THE FUNDERS OF IT AND PROMOTERS OF IT ACROSS PARTY LINES. I DON’T AGREE…

00:49:38
Peter Slen

HOST: THIS TWEET FROM I LOVE POLITICS, H-1B LIES TOLD BY CEO’S TO CONGRESS. U.S. WORKERS ARE NOT AVAILABLE, NOT ABLE TO DO THE WORK, UNWILLING TO TAKE…

00:49:55
John Miano

GUEST: THAT IS A SOME OF THE NONSENSE. I USED TO BE A COMPUTER PROGRAMMER. RIGHT NOW IF YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND A COMPUTER PROGRAMMING JOB IT WOULD BE…

00:50:09
Peter Slen

HOST: WHY?

00:50:12
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: THEY SIMPLY ARE NOT OUT THERE AND THEY ARE NOT BEING ADVERTISED. OCCASIONALLY I GO ONLINE TO LOOK FOR JOBS IN MY AREA. IT IS WHERE YOU FIND ANY…

00:50:38
Peter Slen

HOST: DANA IN CALIFORNIA, A REPUBLICAN.

00:50:43
CALLER

CALLER: YES. YOUR GUESTS HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING THE PROBLEM. IT IS AN EYE-OPENING THING FOR ME TO KNOW ABOUT ALL OF THIS. BUT MY QUESTION…

00:51:16
Peter Slen

HOST: MICHELLE MALKIN

00:51:20
GUEST

GUEST: BEFORE YOU FIX THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE AT THE KNOW JUST HOW BAD IT REALLY IS. THAT’S THE PURPOSE OF THE BOOK. TO REALLY SHAKE PEOPLE AND WAKE THEM…

00:52:34
John Miano

GUEST: THE CALLER IS ASKING WHAT HE CAN DO. I SAID THE FIRST THING IS BE INFORMED. ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT DOING THE BOOK IS YOU COULD EXPLAIN THINGS…

00:53:40
Peter Slen

HOST: FROM SOLD OUT, QUOTE, BY FORMER REPRESENTATIVE TOM DAVIS, ON BIG TECH’S PUSH TO ELIMINATE H-1-B CAPS ALL TOGETHER. QUOTE, THIS IS NOT A POPULAR…

00:54:01
CALLER

CALLER: THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING TO ALL OF YOU. I NEVER REALIZED HOW BIG THE PROBLEM IS. BUT IT’S VERY PERSONAL TO ME. I BELIEVE THAT SHE’S RIGHT, MICHELLE,…

00:55:11
Peter Slen

HOST: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CALLING. FINAL WORD FROM EACH OF YOU. JOHN?

00:55:15
John Miano

GUEST: THIS BOOK DESCRIBES THE PROBLEM THAT ESSENTIALLY EVERYONE CAN AGREE ON. I HOPE NOT JUST FROM THE INTRINSIC INTEREST IN PROMOTING THE BOOK, BUT…

00:55:45
Michelle Malkin

GUEST: THERE SEEMS TO BE A KUMBAYAH MOMENT ON C-SPAN TO HAVE SO MANY FOLKS CALL IN ACROSS PARTY LINES WHO UNDERSTAND JUST HOW DAUNTING THIS PROBLEM…

00:56:46
Peter Slen

HOST: FINALLY, THIS TWEET FROM K.Q., THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU TRANSFORM THIS DEMOCRAT MIDSUMMER ABOUT GARAGE INVENTORS, YOUR EARLIER BOOK. NO HASHTAG…

00:57:06
GUEST

GUEST: THANKS FOR HAVING US.

00:57:07
Peter Slen

HOST: 25 MINUTES LEFT IN THIS WORK’S “WASHINGTON JOURNAL.” WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF TOPICS. WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT’S GOING ON IN THE COLLEGE CAMPUSES. WE…

 

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